Name: Dr M S Swaminathan
Publish Date: 06 March 2009
Designation & Organisation: the Grameen Gyan Abhiya
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Renowned agriculture scientist and the father of the Green Revolution in India, M S Swaminathan has been for years working for digital inclusion, to help enhance income and environment in rural India. His research organisation, M S Swaminathan Research Foundation, has been implementing Village Knowledge Centre and Village Resource Centre programme. Under the Grameen Gyan Abhiya (Rural Knowledge Network) movement and in partnership with telecentre.org the organisation is engaged  in  facilitating national and regional events related to ICT-enabled rural development activities and  technological empowerment. In his interview with telecentre magazine, Dr  Swaminathan advocated for infusion of ICT for rural development,  gender empowerment, skill enhancement and so on. He believes that telecentres would unlock countless opportunities and new life trajectories in rural India.

For the readers of the Telecentre magazine, could you share with us your vision for the telecentre movement?

The telecentre movement is the pathway to bridging not only the digital divide but also the economic, gender and social divides which are at the moment creating a multipolar world. As a single instrument for the knowledge and skill empowerment of the socially and economically underprivileged sections of the society, the telecentre is the most effective one.

How far do you think we have reached and how must communities prepare themselves to cope with rapid changes in technologies?

During the last seven years after the National Alliance for the Mission for establishing a Knowledge Centre in every Block and Panchayat was formed, we have seen rapid progress in achieving a digital revolution in rural India. The strategy of the Alliance for covering the entire country under the Grameen Gyan Abhiyan (GGA) is the following:

• Establish a Village Resource Centre (VRC) in every Block with the help of the Indian Space Research Organisation. Such VRCs will have teleconferencing facilities and will promote e-Health, e-Literacy, e-Agriculture, etc.
• Establish a Village Knowledge Centre (VKC) in every Panchayat with Internet connectivity and linkages with cable TV, FM radio and mobile phones
• Promote the last mile and last person connectivity through synergy between Internet and a cell phone or Internet and FM radio.  Beside, a Rural Innovation Fund is also being established in collaboration with telecentre.org and Microsoft to provide fellowship to entrepreneurial telecentre practitioners.

How do we ensure that the principles of Social Inclusion are built-in while planning digital access programmes?

As a result of the work of the National Alliance for a Village Knowledge Revolution, the following programmes have been launched:

• Department of Information Technology of the Government of India has launched 100000 Community Service Centres in rural India
• ITC Ltd has planned for covering 50000 villages under their e-Chaupal programme
• The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) is planning to cover all the Blocks of the country with VRCs
• The Bharat Nirman programme of the Government of India has provided for Knowledge Connectivity.

Thus the seeds of a Village Knowledge Revolution have been sown. Social inclusion will come about by making equity in access to knowledge and skills through VKCs and VRCs, the bottom line of the planning process

How can we bridge the digital and knowledge divide at a scale and pace that brings substantive difference to the rural communities?

All communities want change for the better in their lives and livelihoods. What is important is the provision of demand driven and dynamic information at the right time and place. The technology should make a difference in the lives of the poor in a measurable manner.

How can the lessons from India be emulated in other developing countries?

The work done in India is replicable since it is based on the principles of affordability, replicability and community management. The community will always pay for those facilities which really respond to their felt needs. This is true in all countries and hence the Indian example has a wide extrapolation domain.

 How will sustainability be attained for the telecentre movement, if the donor interests in the domain of ICT for Development begin to wane, keeping in line with other global priority themes like Climate Change?

ICT for Development will remain sustainable if the technology is found useful by local communities and helps to unite rather than divide the rich and the poor. Donors will be well advised to give high priority to ICT4D because of its multiple downstream benefits.

As a scientist, how can we prove that information and communication technologies (ICTs) are making a difference, and to what extent? How do we measure the success/challenges?

We can measure success or failure by the response of rural women, men and children. They are the ultimate judges of the value of the technology. Our experience so far has been very encouraging. As pointed out by our former President Dr A P J Abdul Kalam, the Fellows of the Jamsetji Tata National Virtual Academy represent the celebration of India's Rural Core Competence. We should promote the spread of such technologies on the basis of the principle of partnership and not patronage.

What is the genesis of the Village Knowledge Centre concept mooted by the MS Swaminthan Research Foundation?

The Village Knowledge Centre concept was developed at an inter-disciplinary dialogue organised in January 1992 by MSSRF on the theme "Reaching the Unreached: Role of Information Technology". At this dialogue, the concept of establishing VKCs for the purpose of bridging the urban-rural digital and knowledge divide was developed; since then this programme has become a mass movement.

Since1997, MSSRF has been implementing the Village Knowledge Centre (VKC) and Village Resource Centre (VRC) programme.  How can we scale up these?

The unique can become universal only if the programme is rooted in the principles of social and gender equity, economic viability and public utility. MSSRF has always based its rural programmes on the twin principles of Antyodaya (i.e. attention to the most deprived person) and Sarvodaya (i.e. a win-win situation for all resulting in high social synergy and high social capital).

Since 2003, Jamsetji Tata National Virtual Academy for Rural Prosperity (NVA) has built a new thinking, celebrating the rural leaders of digital economy. This has been done through collaboration with several international and national partners like telecentre.org (including content and capacity building). Could you please elaborate a bit more on this?

telecentres can become important vehicles for social mobilisation and social action in the areas of health, agriculture, environment protection, climate risk management, etc

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The Jamsetji Tata National Virtual Academy for Rural Prosperity (NVA) was established in 2003 for the purpose of giving social prestige and recognition to rural women and men who  have mastered modern digital technology and are willing to help others in the village in training and in managing VKCs and VRCs. This Academy is the Indian chapter of the global telecentre.org Academy. There are now over 1000 grassroot academicians in NVA. telecentre.org has been helpful in identifying fellows from neighbouring countries and thereby adding an international wing to the Academy. The election of grassroot workers as Academicians of this prestigious Academy has helped to raise their self-esteem and pride. The fellows are looked upon with respect and admiration by the village community.

What were the challenges faced by the Mission 2007 in its first phase of operations, and in pursuit of its objectives? What lessons can other countries draw from a thought leader like you of the Mission 2007?

The challenges faced initially related to getting the local community involved in the setting up and management of the centre. From the beginning, the approach was one of partnership and not patronage. We wanted local women and men to really desire to have a knowledge centre in their village and use it in a manner that is socially and economically meaningful. There were problems like stable supply of electricity and proper working of the telephone. We adopted the principle that for every problem there is also a solution. Thus we got solar power and the regular supply connected so that solar power can come to the rescue when the regular power supply fails. Similarly we started using wireless technology to overcome the difficulties in getting proper telephone connection. Thus we did not allow problems to overwhelm us.

The Fifth Annual Conference of Grameen Gyan Abhiyan (GGA) held recently in Delhi emphasised the need for integrating the telecentre movement in India with other national flagship programmes like National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, National Rural Health Mission, etc. Could you elaborate on this conceptually?

The aim of integrating important National Missions like Bharat Nirman, Rastriya Krishi Vikas Yojana, National Horticulture Mission, National Food Security Mission, National Health Mission, etc. with the telecentre movement was to ensure the effective access of these programmes to rural women and men based on the principle of social inclusion in access to technology. Every village family was given an Entitlements Passbook containing information on all the government schemes available to the family. The information was disaggregated according to class, caste, gender, age, etc. For example, this kind of integrated information is proving to be a great blessing to the women and men affected by the agrarian crisis in Vidarbha and other parts of the country. Such information empowerment is particularly of great value to the widows of farmers who have committed suicide, since it provides them with a ray of hope concerning the different kinds of support systems available to them.

What are the key issues (acting as roadblocks) facing the telecentre movement in India?

The key issues facing the telecentre movement are content creation and capacity building. Connectivity can be solved particularly after the emergence of the mobile phone technology. However it is content that will determine the interests of rural and tribal families in the VKCs and VRCs. This is why we had advocated the setting up of a content consortium at the Block level. Capacity building is another very important requirement for sustainability, since the ideal situation will be VKCs managed by local women and men. Here again, telecentre.org and Microsoft have been extremely helpful. 
 
What is your opinion on the recent talks of mobile phones potentially addressing the issue of first file/last mile challenge and thereby reducing the utility of telecentre? What might be the utility of the telecentres fifty years from now?

Advances in technology are taking place at a phenomenal pace. It will be difficult to predict what can happen after fifty years from now. However in the immediate future, the most effective method of knowledge empowerment will be a combination of the Internet, FM radio and the cell phone. It is likely that the mobile phone can perform all these tasks in an integrated manner. However, telecentres can become important vehicles for social mobilisation and social action in the areas of health, agriculture, environment protection, climate risk management, etc.

Considering the ongoing economic downturn being experienced worldwide, what role do you think telecentre could play in mitigating the effects of the same?

Telecentres can explain the causes of the economic downturn in the world and empower local communities to manage their consequences. For example, loss of jobs is one important impact of the global economic crisis. Here there are opportunities in villages to take to market driven enterprises through Self Help Groups and other forms of community organisation. They can also be enabled to increase further the productivity and profitability of small holdings. Diversification of land use with emphasis on high value and low water requiring crops could be promoted. The telecentre could help the labour working under the NREGP to develop the watershed scientifically and undertake water harvesting and conservation. Thus the telecentre could help labour to become defenders of India's ecological security.

For more information, contact:
M S Swaminathan Research Foundation
3rd Cross Street, Institutional Area, Taramani
Chennai - 600113, India
Ph: +91-44-22542698, 22541229 Fax: +91-44-22541319
You can write to: hmrc@mssrf.res.in for general enquiry

Quick Scan

The National Alliance for Mission 2007 has now over 400 members drawn from Public, Private, Academic, Civil Society and Financial Sector

The most effective method of knowledge empowerment will be a combination of the Internet, FM radio and the cell phone

Telecentres can explain the causes of the economic downturn in the world and empower local communities to manage their consequences